… And Then He Said He Was Gay

January 16, 2012 — 21 Comments

Trampoline

“I have something to tell you,” Jeff began. It was a warm spring afternoon near the end of my freshman year in high school. We lay outside on the trampoline in my backyard, staring at the sky through the tree branches overhead. 

“Mmmkay,” I said.

“I’m gay,” Jeff said in a rush. We both continued to stare at the sky as a heavy silence settled over us. 

I’d met Jeff the previous fall shortly after the beginning of our freshman year. Both of us were new to the private Christian high school. Neither of us felt like we really fit in well. We became fast friends, spending time outside of class together whenever we could.

Dozens of questions flooded my mind. What does he mean he’s “gay?” Doesn’t he know what the Bible says about that? Why is he telling me this? Does he “like” me? Does he think I’m gay too? What does he expect me to say? 

I settled for, “Oh.”

Jeff continued, “I’ve never told anyone before. Please don’t tell anyone yet. It’s not like I ‘like’ like you. I mean, you’re my best friend, but I don’t ‘like’ you that way. I just had to tell someone.”

“Ok,” I replied, still fixated on the branches above us. I don’t remember any more conversation on the subject after that.

The spring term concluded a few weeks later. Jeff and I continued to spend time together throughout the summer. I’ve never been one to have a lot of friends. Instead, I usually find a couple people who I feel an affinity with and we develop a deep relationship. That’s the way it was with Jeff. 

I was experiencing some serious cognitive dissonance, however. The Christian tradition within which I was raised was clear on homosexuality: it was a sin. Yet my relationship with Jeff was no different from any other relationship I had with a Christian peer. He believed the same things I did, read the same Bible, worshipped the same God, saved by the same Christ.

I found it incredibly difficult to reconcile my friendship with Jeff and the picture in my mind of homosexuals as defiant sinners who continually made the choice to thumb their nose at God. I’m not sure where I got that image from. But Jeff certainly didn’t fit it.

When school began the following fall, Jeff and I worked our schedules so that we would be in many of the same classes. We’d survived freshman year and entered our sophomore year confident and sure.

I was much more comfortable with Jeff sexuality than I’d been when he came out to me earlier that year. Jeff was still Jeff. He’d turned 16 over the summer and I started catching rides to school with him. We made ritual of leaving early on Friday mornings to go have breakfast at the Waffle House across the street from the school. I still remember the pre-dawn rides in his gray Volvo 240, Meatloaf blasting from the speakers.

In October of that year, things changed quickly and drastically. I was still one of only a few people to whom Jeff had confided his sexuality. There was another guy in our grade who, it was thought, was also gay. He was a loner, saying very little in class and sitting by himself most of the time. 

Jeff felt compassion toward him. Thinking he knew something of what this guy was experiencing, Jeff wrote him a note and slipped it in his locker. In the note, Jeff took the bold step of telling this guy, who he didn’t really know, that he was gay and that if he ever wanted to talk about it, Jeff would be happy to listen.

That didn’t go over too well. The guy took the note to the principal. By the end of the week, Jeff was expelled from school for “unwanted sexual advances toward another student.” Though the content of the note contained no such advance, the school defended its interpretation and sent Jeff packing.

Several friends and I set up a meeting with the principal and passionately defended our friend (as teenagers are wont to do). The administration would not be swayed. They had a zero-tolerance policy for “these kinds of things.”

I’m still not sure whether the other guy was offended by the note, scared, or both. He transferred out of school a couple weeks later.

Jeff and I continued to grab breakfast on Friday mornings, while he and his family tried to appeal the school’s decision. When it was clear that the school was not going to budge, Jeff enrolled in the public high school. Our Friday breakfasts came to an end shortly afterwards, as our schools were on opposite sides of town.

Our friendship changed when we were no longer classmates. We made new friends, were busy with different activities, and slowly saw less and less of each other. We kept in touch until we both left for different colleges. After that, we would see one another only occasionally. 

My friendship with Jeff, though brief when compared to other friends I’ve had since, was an important one for several reasons. He was the first gay person I’d ever known. The response from the school was the first sexual discrimination I’d witnessed. My relationship with him was the first time that my personal experience ever contradicted the conclusions of my tradition’s interpretation of the Bible.

Andrew Marin, in his book Love is an Orientation, shares many stories similar to my own. Marin is a self-described “straight, white, conservative, Bible-believing, evangelical male [who] was raised in a Christian home in a conservative suburb of Chicago . . . grew up in a large evangelical church. . . . [a]nd wanted absolutely nothing to do with the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender (GLBT) community” (Kindle loc. 108). Yet after having several experiences in college that were not unlike my own, where Christian friends came out to him, a confused Marin decided to immerse himself in the LGBTQI community in order to become, “the most involved, gayest straight dude on the face of the earth” (loc. 147).

Out of those experiences, he created the Marin Foundation, which works in the LGBTQI community and in evangelical churches to create places of loving, humble conversation about sexuality and Christianity. I had the opportunity to attend a conference breakout session led by Marin a few years back. This is a guy who loves God and loves the LGBTQI community. 

His desire, one I share, is that Christians of all stripes would seek to love people into a reconciled relationship with God. And by that, Marin is not speaking about hatred and bigotry disguised as “tough love” which is predicated on “changing” one’s sexual orientation in order to come to the throne of God. No, as he explains, “[e]ven if Christians don’t agree with the GLBT community of what they might stand for, believers in Christ are supposed to know how to find real empathy for those who are going through things we can never understand” (loc. 329).

My life has continued to be blessed with deep relationships with people of all different sexualities. Some of the most intimate community I’ve ever experienced involved a great neighborhood in Philadelphia. We became fast friends with a wonderful lesbian couple who lived on our block and celebrated the birth of our second daughter with us (we had the opportunity to celebrate the birth of their first daughter a short time later!). Also in that neighborhood were two friends in a monogamous gay relationship. They adopted a wonderful son not too long ago and are great parents. Some of the most challenging and honest conversations I’ve ever had happened with these friends as we sat on the stoop of our rowhouse whiling away July evenings. 

The fruit of my relationships is a deep appreciation for the complexity of sexuality and spirituality, especially Christian spirituality. Historical and cultural differences between the context of the Biblical authors and our present landscape make the interpretation and application of Biblical texts tricky. For instance, the word “homosexual” or “homosexuality” never appears in the Greek or Hebrew manuscripts from which the Bible is translated. Not once. There is no indication that the Bible ever addresses issues related to monogamous, loving same-sex relationships. 

Marin’s book may not convince the conservative Christian reader to reassess his or her understanding of what the Bible says (or, rather, doesn’t say) about sexuality. But it will cause the reader to seriously question whether their views on sexuality justify the the hatred that is perpetrated against the LGBTQI community in the name of religion. Our call is to love God and love others, deeply and with humility. That much is clear. That much is not complicated. That much I hope I have done.

Anderson Campbell

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  • Eric Spiegel

    Really great article Andy. I will definitely be adding Marin’s book to my to-read list.

  • chuckharrison1

    Good piece Andy! I have struggled with this issue theologically over the years. My current stance is fuzzy at best. Some of my favorite people are gay, including a very close family member. I’ll have to get that book.

  • Chris Marshall

    well said, my friend. I am right there with you in every aspect. So incredibly humbled by this conversation. I thought I knew what I believed, now I’m not so sure. The mystery is growing. What I’m sure of is that grace and hospitality is for all.

  • ReedVerde

    I was just having this conversation tonight with my boss. I’m feeling very on-point with your writing. I want to ask one clarifying question on you standpoint: Is the expression of sexuality [ie intercourse, sex, or anything considered adulterous from a marriage standpoint] outside of a man/woman marriage a sin? My answer would be yes, it is a sin. This fact does not predicate me to treat any person any difference, nor does it disqualify, in my opinion, a person from a true Christian relationship with God and the Church.The “living in sin” is what I object to in people and myself personally while simultaneously serving in the church. This is what I would define as the “thumbing their nose at God”One thing that I dont think many people address in this issue is how heavily culture has mandated that sexuality is a major if not majority of a person’s identity. Because of this weighted percentage in the American Culture, the church neglects to look past this and admit that sexuality is not the key factor in our identity. Our identity is completely in God and Christ. From personal experience, when my identity was in what I believed, I took a personal hit and offense anytime my faith was challenged, yet when my identity began to reside in God, this crisis of faith was no longer core shaking.I have a lot of other ideas, and this is getting long. Thank you, Andy, for having this conversation. This will be something I share in my community.Reed

  • Joe Burnham

    I remember having a similar conversation, although, for me, it was as a youth pastor and the person sharing his homosexuality was the associate pastor. I was the first person he ever told.While I kept his confidence, about 4 months later, he was outed and forced to resign even though he hadn’t acted out on his attraction. He discreetly lived with me for a few weeks while figuring out what was next.He moved on and we largely disconnected for a few years. Oddly, in November of 2010, we ended up sitting next to each other on an airplane … which reminds me, I owe him a call.Thanks for sharing your story and reminding me to continue living mine.

  • KeithMcilwain

    The question becomes – and I say this as someone with relatives & friends who are gay – “how do we live out the love of God in Christ while still not affirming homosexual behavior (or sinful heterosexual behavior, for that matter)?” The Church has failed to answer that question in a way that is both merciful & faithful, IMO. I don’t think our only choices are being mean or else completely affirming.

  • Anderson Campbell

    @Eric – thanks. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I think you’ll find the book helpful.@Chuck – thanks for reading, man. I think that “fuzzy” is an okay place to be with topics like this. “Fuzzy” forces us to wrestle honestly as we search for clarity. Even Paul said we “see through a glass darkly.”@Chris – it means a lot to have you weigh in. your post on this subject was fantastic as well.

  • Anderson Campbell

    Reed,Thanks for adding your voice here. I’m pleased that you read the post! The question you ask is a tough one to answer. I had someone email me a longer, more specific version of your question. I don’t think that the answer is simply a “yes” or a “no.” There are passages in the Bible that condemn particular sex acts. Yet those passages are wrapped in other issues that make applying them in today’s context far from clear. Your observations about identity are, I think, mostly correct. For Christians, there is a sense of freedom that comes with rooting one’s identity in Christ alone. However, for a majority of the rest of the world, sexuality remains as a key component of identity. For that reason, we can’t simply say that sexual identity doesn’t matter. “You can’t argue an ‘ought’ from an ‘is.'”For those whose sexuality (LGBTQI or otherwise) DOES make up a large part of their identity, the worn-out Christian maxim, “Hate the sin, love the sinner” is an affront. To hate the “sin” is tantamount to hating the “sinner.” In that way, it is much like the difficulty with a white guy (like myself) saying, “I don’t even see race. Black, White, Hispanic, it’s all the same to me.” Clearly, it’s not. And for me to say otherwise is a power play that betrays the very stratification I’m trying to deny.I think that leaves us in a place of having to deal with sexuality as an important component of identity, while at the same time acknowledging that as the Spirit works within each person, It is actively at work reshaping and re-rooting one’s identity.

  • Anderson Campbell

    @Joe – Really glad to have your voice here too! Your willingness to provide tangible hospitality to the gentleman you reference is a true mark of one who “gets it.” Keep living your story, bro. It’s a great one.@Keith – You are right that there must be options for response other than complete affirmation or vitriol. The more reflection I do on this, the more I’m seeing the Biblical concept of hospitality as a potential key for formulating a cogent, cohesive response. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

  • suzannah {so much shouting, so much laughter}

    your friend’s story alternately breaks my heart and makes me so angry. i don’t understand why homosexuality is the hill so many christians want to die on. i’m tired of the easy answers and lack of compassion.i’ve been wrestling with and writing about similar themes this week. grateful for your voice.

  • Luke

    Andy,Thanks for sharing my friend. I really can resonate with your story, because I experienced something similar in college. I had a friend come out to me, who was involved in my church community and loved God. I saw the Holy Spirit in this person. It broke down so many nice, neat ideas that had been built in me in the church. Which I am so thankful for.I also liked how you brought up in your response how the “love the sin and hate the sinner” idea is not helpful. In fact, I think it is downright hurtful. As you said, people’s sexuality is part of their identity. We are telling them that a part of who they are as a person is a sin, not simply something they do. We need to stop using this idea, as not only is it wrong I think but it continues to give people the view of the church that many within the LGBTQ community already have. That we care about their sexual orientation more than them.As well, from a biblical standpoint this is not a black and white issue, and we need to stop acting like it is. And we have to stop requiring a “change” of sexual orientation to participate in the church. It is not our job to change people, only to journey in faith with them.Much love to you all, and thanks again Andy.Luke

  • Anderson Campbell

    @Suzannah- Thanks for taking the time to read and to comment. Your post on homosexuality last week was a great one. It does seem to be a rather odd hill to die on. Even of issues related to morality, it seems strange to single this one out. Is it perhaps because it is so easy to cast LGBTQI as “other”? Something Christians might find exceedingly difficult for those, say, who get divorced or cheat on their spouses? Whatever the reason, a lack of compassion cannot be a proper Christian response.For those who haven’t seen it, check out Suzannah’s post on her blog here:http://www.somuchshoutingsomuchlaughter.com/2012/01/homosexuality-isnt-sin-ha

  • Anderson Campbell

    @Luke- Thanks for sharing, man. It is interesting, isn’t it, that many of those Christians who are “welcoming” to the gay community are those who have had a dear friend or relative come out to them. I think these deeply personal experiences force us to try and reconcile dogma with presence. Faithfulness demands wrestling, in my humble opinion. And, in my experience, the whole process brings me closer to a God that I’ll never totally comprehend. That is a blessing.

  • Gerie

    When Christ had compassion on the multitude who had been with Him for three days with nothing to eat, He fed them bread and fish. He fed them with the physical food their bodies needed. Those who have the Spirit of Jesus indwelling them will have compassion on those in the LGBT by feeding them with what they are sorely lacking – spiritual truth. Anyone who dies while practicing and living in sin will go to Hell. Homosexuality is a sin. The most loving thing that one can do who professes to know Christ and says that the love of Jesus is in them, would do what Jesus would do. They would tell them the truth in a clearly understood manner, so that they can then make their decision based on truth, not based on men’s own compassion and reasoning. Not based on the doctrines of men but based surely on the word of God. This is the true love. This is the love of God being manifested among men.

  • Luke

    @GerieWhile I think you say all you do in love for people, which is awesome, I have to disagree on numerous points.For one, the phrase “homosexuality is a sin” is wrought with problems. What do you mean by homosexuality? Are you referring to specific acts? Or orientation? Paul, and the rest of the bible, say nothing about homosexual orientation as we know it today. Paul was referring to specific acts; what someone DID, not who the ARE. So, for someone who believes that they are gay, what does it mean for them to be sinful? Is who the ARE sinful? Or only when they do a specific act? As well, homosexuality is mentioned on a few times in the bible. Other sins, like failing to care for the poor or not killing, are mentioned way more. So, if we believe that homosexuality is a sin, they we also must say that if any church has people in it’s neighborhood are going hungry, then they are just as guilty of sin. This is by no means a cut and dry issue.Second, if one does believe that homosexuality is a sin, what does it mean to tell them the truth? If someone believes that they ARE gay, how is it going to help to tell them that who they are is sinful. That their very existence is sinful. The old “love the sinner hate the sin” does not work here. So what do we do? Try to “fix” them? I think not, as I can give you a dozen examples about how this has harmed people (or led to suicide). So do we welcome them, hoping they will change? Sounds better, but what if they don’t? Do we still allow them to fellowship, or is their presence at church only on the basis that they change. As you see, this is also full of problems.I know this is a complex issue, but I don’t think saying that LGBTQ people are going to hell is theologically sound nor helpful in this discussion, as I believe God is bigger than that and the bible less clear than we make it out to be. Luke

  • Gerie

    Hi Luke, You’re right, the things I say are said with love. It is the true love that’s only found in Christ, and has nothing to do with man’s love. Homosexuality is a sin. There is no doubt about that. Because a sin is not mentioned on every page of the Bible does not make it any less sinful. The act of homosexuality is a sin, to lust in your heart for a man is also sinful even if not actually doing the act. (Jesus said that of adultery so it is true of any sexual act, that the lusting in the heart is also sinful.) There is no such thing as gay marriage, because God doesn’t recognise it and He is the only one that matters.) The Christian is held to a higher standard than others, and if I had to explain that, it would be way too long to get into here with scriptures that verify it. (check my blog) To “believe” that you are gay is a sin in itself, just as Eve believed the serpent and not God. If a person believes that God made him that way, he will sin. He has suceeded in deceiving his own heart. The serpent deceived Eve, but the gay man often times deceives his very own heart. Nature itself teaches everyone that being gay is a sin, because the union formed is not able to procreate and cannot obey the command given,”Be fruitful and multiply” etc and “leave father and mother to cleave unto your wife”. There is no “husband cleaving to husband” mentioned in the command.With God’s love we *can* love the sinner and hate the sin. We do it with tears in our eyes and an aching in our heart, as we try to warn those that we love if they don’t come under the Lordship of Jesus Christ and submit to His ways, by obeying what He and the Father thinks is right or wrong, they will die in their sins. What does it mean to take up our cross and follow Him? It means denying sinful desires. Cut off our hand, pluck out our eye if we can’t stop doing something, because Jesus said it would be better to do that then to go to Hell. Don’t forget that Hell is what we are trying to save the gay man from. We don’t want him to go there and we are trying to protect him, by telling him the truth. This life time is short, compared to Eternity.I believe everything that Jesus said. I won’t change His word or argue with it or question it or cast doubt upon it. Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but His word will live forever. I talk more about these things on my blog http://exposingthedarknessandtellingthetruthblogspot.com. Its just too much to try to explain in the comments here.

  • Luke

    @Gerie,You seem to have thought about this and studied it a lot. However, I don’t think you can make such definite statements about what the bible does and doesn’t say. This is because no one just reads the bible, but we all interpret. We all, myself included, come to the text with things that color our understanding of it. This is understandable, as we are human. You said you simply believe everything that Jesus said. But the thing is, people are going to interpret what Jesus said differently. They will see different sections of the Gospels as speaking to different things. If you are going to call my use of the bible wrong, you also must show why your particular hermeneutical method is better. I see this as fundamental to our disagreement. For instance, I do not see the bible as prescriptive, meaning, that we are SIMPLY to follow each and every verse. The bible was not written as verses, but as larger narrative, letters, and songs. Moreover, it was not written to us, but to places and cultures many years ago. The question of how to follow them is not as simple as following a verse, but involves asking questions about the historical context, the literary context, what certain words would have meant when the text was written, etc. Yes, I believe the Holy Spirit is involved as well, and that the bible is very much to be used by us today, but we cannot simply say, “I just read the text and believe what it says” because otherwise we could make the bible say whatever we want. Which leads to this. You say, “Homosexuality is a sin. There is no doubt about that.” Except there is. There are people who love Jesus, who want to do their best to understand how we are to understand and use the bible today, who are filled with the Spirit, and do not come to the same conclusion that you do. What would you say to them? That your interpretation is right? That yours is the only one that is right? Yes, mine could be a incorrect interpretation. But it is one that has been arrived at, not by disregarding the bible and making it say what we want, but by seeking to understand the bible in it’s original context and understand how we are to take, say, a person letter from Paul to a particular church, and interpret it as authoritative in our world today. Saying “the bible is clear and that is the end” is not an ok form of discussion.Finally, you mention that nature itself teaches that being gay is a sin. That is not necessarily true. I happen to be writing my Seminary Masters Thesis on this very issue in Romans 1:26-28, where Pauls speaks of homosexuality being “against nature” (para physin). What exactly he meant in this context is not clear at all, as most of his contemporaries used this phrase to lend credit to there own person views. Even Paul says in 1 Cor 11 that men having long hair in against nature. So, are we to treat every man with long hair as sinful? What Paul meant by “against nature” is a complicated discussion.Please understand, I am not trying to attack you personally, but I am getting very tired of how the church treats the gay community. I have dedicated many many hours to studying this issue and doing my best to understand not only the bible and Christian history, but the gay community as well. And I have seen that there will be no chance for those within the gay community to feel welcomed by the church until we stop with the “Hate the sin, love the sinner stuff.” Those are not categories they use, or want to, so we just need to get rid of those. Even if you think homosexuality is a sin, it is not necessary to use that way of thinking. May we all learn how to love those we see as sinful or wrong better, and try to understand where they are coming from.

  • Gerie

    Marriage is between a man and a woman. If the woman or the man has a sexual encounter with someone else, thats called adultery and it is a sin. When the Bible says don’t commit adultery, no one has to interpret it for us, we all know what that means. The Bible is not for any private interpretation, it simply means what it says. It is when men try to use it, in order to make it condone their sins, thats when things start going all wonky and don’t make any sense. Yes, I agree, we should love the homosexual, and the drug addict and the adulterer, but we cannot condone their sins or excuse their behavior. Jesus was deadly serious about sin. He made sure that people understood the consequences of practicing their sins, which is something that we are not doing much of these days. And who are we hurting? The gay community. Are only those who commit adultery, or do drugs or drunkards worthy of hearing the truth? Aren’t gay men just as important as the rest of them to hear the word that might put the fear of God in them before its too late to save their souls? We are not doing them any favors by “loving” them without telling them the plain truth. It is very clear in Scriptures that God has pronounced Homosexuality a sin.(Romans 1:24-27)24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. In verse 26 *natural use* means our own natural God given instincts. Men are *naturally^ attracted to women. If that is not the case, something has gone wrong and must be resisted, to keep his conscience clean before God. Be sure of this: God would never give someone a feeling that is contrary to His word. It must be coming from an outside source. God never tempts anyone with sin it says in the Book of James.Face it, there is no easy way to get to Heaven. Ask Jesus. He said narrow is the way. That means its hard to get there. We must sit down first and count the cost.If you have any gay friends, be sure that you love them by telling them the truth.

  • Luke

    @GerieWell, I think this conversation is not really going to do much for either of us. You must see that everyone interprets the bible, and most interpret it differently in some ways. Why do you think there are so many denominations? “It simply means what it says” is NOT an acceptable way to discuss the bible. What you mean by that phrase is “this is my interpretation of what the bible says.” That’s ok, but you need to recognize that. If you cannot do that than I am afraid we will not be able to discuss much, as you are the only one that you believe can read the bible properly, and if I don’t come to your conclusions then you will tell me I’m wrong. Does’t lead to fruitful discussions.And the “clear” meaning of nature you put out is not clear at all as clear as you make it. I have done a great deal of research on the meaning of “natural use” in the world of Paul, and the way Paul uses that phrase does not say for sure that homosexuality is a sin. Furthermore, you didn’t answer my question: Since Paul uses the same phrase to describe how men with long hair are “against nature” in 1 Cor 11, are men with long hair sining the same way gay people are sinning in your opinion?I think these conversations can be very fruitful, as it is always good to be challenged on what we think. But not if you are just going to tell me i’m wrong, throw some verses out there, but not really engage what I am saying. If that is the case I wish you the best as you seek to follow Jesus, but let’s not drive each other crazy on this.Blessings. Luke

  • Gerie

    Paul is simply saying that wearing long hair is against nature and that men have *instincts* that tell them that. In the same way men have *instincts* that tell them to be attracted to a woman, not another man, or an animal, but a woman. Nature itself tells us whats acceptable, thats all he’s saying. We are not supposed to judge the same things as feeling shame if we are a man and we have long hair, and having sex with another man as equal, just because he says that nature guides us in what is acceptable. He is just telling them that nature bares witness with their conscience to whats right and wrong.(Romans 1:27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, *fornication*, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.The word *fornication* here is from the word “porneia” and means: illicit sexual intercoursea) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12There is no doubt that homosexuality is a sin and according to verse 32 carries a death penalty and so do all of those other things that he mentioned. Wouldn’t you agree they are preaching a very watered down Gospel these days? People would benefit greatly if there were more people who were willing to love those who have lost their way, with the truth.

  • Anderson Campbell

    Gerie,I think you have reiterated your point ad nauseum. It is clear that you are unwilling to entertain an open dialectical banter or address legitimate questions related to your hermeneutical method and cultural assumptions. I respectfully ask you to move on, now. May the peace of Christ go with you, wherever He may send you.  -